Were always happy to help. No enhancement or intensification of the light colour of the wood, the original colour is retained. You have a choice between matte, satin, semi-gloss and gloss with most finish systems. PS It may be helpful to note that my floor has varied plank widths of 3-5 & 7. Here is a recent post for starters: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6286234/tannin-pull-with-loba-invisible#n=6. Since then, the homeowners moved out of the house (their other house has been featured in a post!) That is VERY rare for a 'splash' of some sort. Being you didn't mention "how" the finishes will be applied, If you're looking for a 2K WB finish that can be sprayed, there are a number . I want a matte finish that will handle wear and tear. How many applications are necessary 2 or 3. The 30-inch by 26-inch section was never finished as the prior stove's paneling almost touched the floor. Loba has a new 2K Invisible AT. The first night we slept on the floors our dog got sick and my daughter didnt notice the mess until noon the next day. The previous Houzz poster who had a failed application was a professional floor refinisher himself but had no helper and was, as I recall, applying Invisible Protect to white oak, the worst wood for tannin pull. They have great professional high-end finish systems too. For 650 sf., have two gallons ready to go and plan on using all of it. Whether you get that ventilation by opening a window or not while it is raining is a difficult question. I'm going to hazard a guess that '3 children' are going to be rather hard on floors. Only 2 COATS of product can be applied within a 24 hour window. 1 S. 1 TTDSG Empfnger der Daten: Google LLC, Alphabet Inc. (beide USA) bermittlung in Drittstaaten: Ja Manahme nach Art. Wir verwenden Cookies, um Ihnen ein optimales Webseiten-Erlebnis zu bieten. You can apply 2 coats of NordicSeal if you want a slightly whiter floor. Now that kid are grown, the floor needs to be sanded and refinished. It's really tough. It has exceptional scratch protection and elasticity (so it works with your hardwood's movement when the humidity changes). By clicking Accept I agree to this, as further described in the Houzz Cookie Policy. This past week I put down three coats of Optifinis Satin, but there's a clear demarcation between what was finished before and now. Almost everyone is in COVID lock down of some sort. Hi again, Mr. Sadunas! Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: LOBA GmbH & Co. KG, Leonbergerstr. And that a sealer should not be used with the Invisible product. Thank you. Here's how the time line SHOULD have gone: 1. The floor has become yellow and there are dents and scratches. I have a red oak floor waiting to be finished. Beautiful finish btw. It can be an issue with water based finishes though like you were told. I just put a towel under the dog bed and will worry about it some other time. I don't see it. Reviewed in the United States on December 2, 2022 That is THE finish that is today's Gold Standard. First picture, light scrape, buff with 240 and re-coat. You all were so helpful and I appreciate it all. I'm in Canada and have sold cork flooring (yescork) to New Zealand and a few times to Australia. I spoke with an expert at the US headquarters for Loba in North Carolina when we were researching and trying to find the Loba product for our White Oak floors. Apply 3rd/final coat of product to the floor (should be 'afternoon' of day 3 or 4!!! We are almost certainly not going to use a water-based poly again due to the fear of the elasticity causing the white line effect again in the gaps and eventually peeling. But in case this is helpful to others, these are my red oak finished with loba easy prime and 2k supra at. We use their stains almost every day. Loba GmbH & Co. KG | Leonberger Str. Im sure the quality floor guys in your area will know what works the best in your environment. The finish will need to be ordered from a source outside of Australia.If, it is not available there. White Oak, on the other hand, can look great in it's natural state with a waterborne finish on top and no stain. A primer is not required, however, LOBA 2K Invisible Protect can be applied over all Loba sealers, primers, and LOBA Stain. 4 Hours AFTER the first coat of product the SECOND coat of product is to be applied (this is the EARLIEST it is allowed to be applied). 56-62 | D-71254 Ditzingen | service(@)loba.de. If you want low gloss, I would work with the Loba 2K Supra AT in Satin. THANK YOU for your detailed and easy to understand guide for choosing a hardwood floor finish! Put in consideration of how many square feet you are working with, before you consider trying to apply multiple coats in a short period of time, especially for DIY-ers. Your floors are red (the name 'Red Hardwood' is the key here). It is a PERFECT circle. Finfers are crossed! That means it is very very very possible water hit the floor BEFORE the 5 - 7 day CURE occurred. Be VERY aware of what that means. Im leaning towards the Loba Supra as this is what the company I am leaning towards uses. What to do now? Leave the area rugs OFF the floor. Just to be MORE confusing, Bona Traffic NATURALE is a FINISH To get a sealant onto the floor you MUST have raw wood (which means all the work that has already been done = has to be done again). @Aglitter i did watch that video numerous of times already and will probably watch it 5 more times before i actually do it. They have some beautiful pre-finished lines that use hardwax oils. AT or WB easier to apply if never used the product? Thinking of Staining Your Hardwood Floors a Dark Color? Sowohl Google als auch staatliche Behrden haben Zugriff auf diese Daten. I love the raw wood look of it so wondering if this magic stuff would be good for it as well? You will have failed chemical resistance and failed hardness without the additive. Belated thanks so much for answering my question from back in the summer (about matching a new finish to the older oil-based one on the stairs! You can use Natural colored stain too which will give you the look of oil with the benefits of water base. Get a synthetic pad or foam brush? I'm not blaming anyone. Hello Tadas, I am having my floors re-finished next week and the highly rated company doing it is using Loba Ws easy Finish. There will be one final coat applied after some final touches are made with transition pieces in certain areas. After years of testing all the leading hardwax oil finishes we have decided to offer 2 options (depending on the look, color and sheen you are hoping for) Pallmann Magic Oil (our #1 choice) followed by Rubio Monocoat. I have a question about using the newer, water-based finishes when you are trying to match the appearance of an older oil-based poly. In my experience, the 2K Supra AT can begin to harden so tough by the 24 hour mark that it is best to get in there and do the intercoat abrasion and re-coat before 24 hours has elapsed for best sanding success and adhesion. Hopefully this series of articles has helped educate you on the basics of hardwood floor finishes and has shown you a clear choice as to what finish system youd like to invest in for your hardwood floors. It can be used on wood, concrete, and cork, as well as wooden doors, molding, work surfaces, tables, floors, stairs, and furniture. I have about 680sqft to do. Almost. We have reached out to Australia Loba reps but they cant explain the issue & quick to blame us. Do they ship to US? Great Series Thanks. Below are a few of the custom colors we have done with hardwax oils over the years. They are well trained to perform inspections and write reports that hold up in Canadian/US courts. For particularly highly trafficked floors. Using EasyPrime first would prevent it. Day 7 after the final coat - 99% cure has been achieved and full life can be lived. I cant seem to find much info comparing the two, other than theyre both very low to zero voc and have low sheen. As you can see, there is a huge variety of colors and shades and mixes available with hardwax oils. So the first estimate is right. As can water popping the floor. Apparently it is, if you've got red oak flooring. If your wood NEEDS a sealant then it must have a sealant. 5. Please LIVE your life while you wait for some suggestions from the Loba people (remember: Germany has a 5 WEEK WINTER BREAK) after the NEW YEAR. Best Finish For The Most Natural Looking White Oak Floors Mommy To Max. Have 2 boys and potential for future dog. Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: LOBA GmbH & Co. KG, Leonbergerstr. I'm in the middle of my project right now having already done 2 full rounds (a round being WS EasyPrime plus 3 topcoats of 2K Supra AT with 2 layers of 180 grit sanding between top coats) on different pieces of cabinetry. If you are going with Bona then you will probably have to sand everything down to the raw wood and start again.yahnot fun but it is the most responsible way to ensure a properly bonded finish. I have a big question, and since you are experienced with Loba products, I hope you can help. It does not replicate actual rooms. And unlike high quality surface finish systems, hardwax oil finishes need to be properly maintained and refreshed several times throughout their life to maintain their protective coating. The sealer will make it more of challenge if, you need to make a finish repair. This was a very large house, we want last finish. We dont have a lot of experience with this product just yet. The reason I am asking is that I need to refinish our prefinished oak flooring and we would like it to reasonably match the newer oak treads we put on our stairway about 6 years ago. They also have built in UV inhibitors, so they wont change color anywhere near as quickly as the oil based finishes. Checked on the floors today after 4 hours and they seem a bit rough? Any of Loba's waterborne products are going to be great. These are some of the benefits of this finish system: If youre looking for a finish with amazing durability, great looks, very low VOCs, fast dry and cure time, and is easy to clean and take care of, then this system is going to be an excellent investment for your floors. Do you find yourself LOVING the look of a freshly cleaned floor because it looks shiny? In the last article we compared all of the finish systems side-by-side and ended up choosing the 3 best by process of elimination. The white dot is suspicious. The Loba 2K Supra AT (satin, semi-gloss version) is NOT as problematic as the Invisible AT. Bona ClassicSeal is an exceptionally clear waterborne sealer that highlights the natural color of the wood, minimizes grain raise and tannin bleed. I didn't really notice it when we all worked at an office and the dogs were at daycare most days, but now that all 5 of us are here 24/7/365, the grime layer is noticeable after a week. It did not increase the shine but enhanced the color and graining in a way hard wax or conventional finishes dont. Do what you need to do to stay safe, would be my advice. For a first timer I think Rubio Monocoat would be easier. We didnt like the smell or fumes though. It sounds like your refinisher has more knowledge with the Bona system. Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Supra AT or WB. To get scientific testing data for all the finishes available (there are hundreds) and then compare them in every wear situation would be a huge and very expensive undertaking. Of course the floors would have looked perfect before any traffic was put on them, hardener or no hardener. He claims that this product does make the grain pop and I will like it. So there you have it. For background, I have unfinished glued-on engineered wood with 4mm wear layer, thats finished in-place natural. That bag doesn't even look like the real 2K Invisible Protect product which comes in a plastic jug with a strainer pour spout and a separate small metal can of hardener to be mixed together with the base. Im talking cabinets, trim and oak railings. Naturale has no UV blockers and oak will turn darker/yellow when exposed to UV light. Bona is the manufacturer and has MANY lines. Loba's coatings have a lot of elasticity built into them, but even so, it is best not to challenge the products by applying them to a floor that has swelled from outdoor humidity if that is not the final condition in which the floor will be used.As to your chance of success with Invisible Protect without primer, you have increased that already by having a helper for edges. Any experience you can share to help choose between the two-component DuraSeal and Loba Supra finish. We are also replacing windows. 7. It kind of defeats the purpose of the Invisible Protect. It is cheaper to repair/recoat a floor like yours than it is to go to court and lose. That comes from experience. I am in a panic since I spent alot of money to have it installed and dont have condo insurance. First coat was applied today, and we were told its a 2 step process. The finish is doing it's job. Oil or WS Easy? Privacy Policy, How to Choose a Hardwood Floor Finish Part 3, Rescuing a Botched Rubio Monocoat Fumed Floor, Hardwood Floors After a Clean, Screen and Recoat, Hardwax Oil Experiment Part 1 OSMO Polyx Oil [2023 UPDATE], Hardwax Oil Experiment Part 2 Rubio Monocoat [2023 UPDATE], The Hardwax Oil Experiment Part 3 Bona Indoor Oil, The Hardwax Oil Experiment Part 4 Pallmann Magic Oil, How to Choose a Hardwood Floor Finish Part 1, How to Choose a Hardwood Floor Finish Part 2, Pre-Finished Vs Site-Finished Hardwood Floors. This causes a white blemish which is UNMOVEABLE.because it is BELOW the layer of finish (sandwiched between the two actually). The Houzz discussion forum is a good place to search for examples of tannin pull. I just noticed the care brochure is for a different product. could this also be the issue? 4. Thanks Mike. 1) Rubio is very durable and we have found it is not too sensitive for wet environments like kitchens and baths. To answer your second question, at the time we liked the look of the old oil base finishes. yikes! The first coat of EasyPrime primer should be recoated at 60 minutes and preferably at no more than 120 minutes. You must use the Loba 120 micron rollers or the process won't work right. Even Germany (where Loba was created) and the North Carolina (USA) office - because the US is on fire with the virus. If he uses a professional and durable top coat you can rest easy knowing he will use a professional sealer that is compatible with the same system. They do NOT have to do a full sand/refinish. Just wondering if anybody has used Loba2K invisible protect or experience with the finish. @Mr. Baker I would highly recommend watching this video before starting, a tutorial on Loba 2K Invisible Protect AT by Loba's North American Business Manager Tom Zagula in conjunction with City Floor Supply: https://youtu.be/Kbu7kCzd1P0Notice that without primer, you will need to apply the Invisible thick and fast, always maintaining a wet edge to avoid tannin pull, especially on white oak. 10. Finish system for cement-based levelling compounds | Factory Line, At the Paul Smith Store in Mayfair, London approx. (I am a native Chicagoan, though, by the way!) 4 coats will give you a nice strong finish. One is that because it's so light, if you set something on it that might transfer color, you'll see it. Hi, all the wood in my home is stained golden oak. Im getting ready to sand and refinish my floors and really want to use a hardwax oil. Is a two component product better for this? You can see our latest update of it here: https://napervillehardwood.com/blog/revisited-pallmann-magic-oil/. This will open the room more the darker things are above the floors the smaller the room will feel. @Aglitter Should I keep the heat/ac on while applying invisible? Thank you for all the great information, this is one of the best hardwood floor resources on the internet! 100 sqm oak were renovated with 2K InvisibeProtect A.T.. . Beautiful home accomplished! Contractor screw up.. We have toddlers. Personally I like the look of darker floors and windows being a more lighter/neutral color. Can you mix satin and semi-gloss for a slight sheen? This is the CERAMIC INFUSED polyurethane technology that gives the Loba EXCELLENT scratch resistance. The only concern I have is your contractor who doesnt have much experience with water-based finishes. I would caution against roller substitutions, because even the best 3/8" or 5/16" microfiber rollers from other companies like Wooster tend to leave occasional fuzz in the 2K. The current floor sheen is semi gloss. You can have other issues if there are too many coats of finish on a floor. ph/text: 475-241-4073 [email protected]. But that still leaves the field pretty wide open as there are many different brands and products among those three groups. At any rate, if the finisher was missing the metal can of hardener to mix with the base, then that is primarily what is causing your problems. I encountered your website while researching floor finishes.Thank you for all your information. So your floor will need to be stained first either natural or in a color of your choice. And you should have 5 days to get 99% cure. I am getting this stained to a dark tone (Jacobean or Jacobean+Ebony). Two to three coats of Invisible is all you need. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookies (_pk_id, pk_ref, pk_ses) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: IP-Adresse, [bitte weitere benennen, soweit bekannt] Rechtsgrundlage: Art. 4. I have two wood flooring refinishers telling me that Monocoat isnt a very good finish for Fir floors in kitchen because it isnt very hard, dont resist water very well, they develop wear paths quickly, and they dont repair as well as the companies who sell them would make you think. It isn't the "finish" that demands this.it is the WHITE OAK that demands this. Please answer the question below before submitting your comment: Copyright 2023 All Rights Reserved. Jose did a great job executing the plan and the homeowners are happy with the outcome of the whole job, even if it does require a little more work on their end to get the base plate painted. The super low gloss finishes are HARD to live with. Please clarify which Loba finish was contracted for use. 13. ), is super durable, will hold up exceptionally well to UV light and sunlight, and is very easy to clean and maintain. mark.. please, this just isnt ok, surely???? So sorry I really am late with this reply! We had another floor refinisher posting at Houzz a couple of years ago who tried the no-primer approach with Invisible and was so unhappy with the amount of tannin pull he got that he sanded it all off and re-started with primer. And yes its #1 grade. The professional we hired told us to pick a water-based stain from Minwax, but their charcoal grey reads blue to me. Loba has a new 2K Invisible AT. This is the BIGGEST complaint from people who have used the Invisible AT. There are scratches already and I have a stain from water sitting on the floor over night, I am attempting to get rid of the stain by refinishing that area and hoping for the best. It has some surface build and can be restored every six months with a new maintenance coat. If this is used, then there is no need to add a sealant to a sealant.